Washington Watch Roundtable: GOP Front-Runner Newt Gingrich Says Really Poor Kids Have No Work Ethic (VIDEO)

Roland Martin and the Washington Watch roundtable discuss Newt Gingrich’s rise in the polls and his comments about poor children not having a good work ethic because nobody around them works.

This weeks panel features Deborah Mathis, Jeff Johnson, Armstrong Williams and Cornell Belcher.

MR. MARTIN:  Folks, lots to talk about this week.  Here’s our roundtable:  Deborah Mathis, director of communications for the Public Justice Foundation; MSNBC contributor Jeff Johnson, Mr. Smooth –

MR. JEFF JOHNSON:  [Chuckles.]

MR. MARTIN:  — “The Right Side” political commentator, Armstrong Williams – that’s one busy tie –


MR. MARTIN:  — and we’re so glad Cornell Belcher dressed up for us this week.  He normally doesn’t wear a suit and tie and dress shoes.  [Of] course, he’s the Obama 2012 pollster, and you often see him on CNN talking about Herman Cain and “booty calls.”

MR. BELCHER:  [Chuckles.]

MR. MARTIN:  All right.  Let’s ge- — let’s get right to it, folks.

Newt Gingrich is all a sudden the man.  Where in the hell did he come from?

MR. JOHNSON:  He never went anywhere.  I mean – and I think that’s the thing.  He was always the consistent grumpy, old man who, one, brought reason in a lot of cases; two, really is one of the smartest people on the panel – which isn’t difficult to do with this panel –

MR. MARTIN:  [Chuckles.]

MR. JOHNSON:  — but – but knows politics better than anybody else on the panel as well, which I – which I think was a prescription for him always being there at the end.

MR. BELCHER:  But he – but he’s also [had the] benefit of others – folks being disqualified.  I mean he’s now the winner of the anyone-but-Mitt-Romney merry-go-round that –

MR. MARTIN:  Be- — because –

MR. BELCHER:  — that – that –

MR. MARTIN:  — at first, it –

MR. BELCHER:  — was going – [chuckles] –

MR. MARTIN:  — was Michele Bachmann –

MR. BELCHER:  — Michele –

MR. MARTIN:  — wins –

MR. BELCHER:  — Bachmann –

MR. MARTIN:  — Iowa.  Then Perry gets in.

MR. BELCHER:  That’s right.

MR. MARTIN:  He goes high.  Then he –

MR. BELCHER:  Everyone’s going –

MR. MARTIN:  — has his –

MR. BELCHER:  — up –

MR. MARTIN:  — “oops” moment.

MR. BELCHER:  — a- — and wha- — but what’s –

MR. MARTIN:  Cain –

MR. BELCHER:  — important here – and – and Armstrong can probably speak to this better than I can, but what [it] looks like is going to happen is that conservatives really are going – going to rally arou- — around Newt, and there’s enough conservative anti-Romney [sentiment] out there, that – I’ve got to tell you – going into Iowa, go- — especially when you go down to South Carolina, Newt’s going to be a problem for Mitt Romney.

MR. ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS:  You know, listen.  So much of the Republican leadership in the House and the Senate in many ways just really just despised Gingrich.


MR. WILLIAMS:  They just tremble, because they remember him – remember when he was in the House, when he became Speaker.  Remember the number of coups against him within his own leadership, whether it was Boehner, whether it was Bob Livingston.  They were trying to overthrow him.  They just feel that he’s so smart, he throws out a thousand ideas, and maybe two will work; and he’s all-knowing.  And his ego.  But, still, in terms of his qualifications; in terms of his intellect, he has that.

But you know what this is like?  It’s like a beauty contest.  Herman Cain gave them all the ammunition to take him out.  Now, can Newt Gingrich withstand the criticism.  And the criticism that I’m talking about is the fact that he is one of the reasons why Obamacare was passed.  Conservatives will not forgive him of – for that.  He benefited from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, while condemning it at the same time while he was a candidate.  I mean he made 34 — $43 million.  I don’t see how he can defend that.  And until Newt Gingrich meets the test and is well vetted like these other candidates, I say ‘wait and see.’

MR. MARTIN:  You spoke of these ideas he threw out.  This week in Iowa, he had this to say, which was kind of interesting.


MR. NEWT GINGRICH:  Start with the follow- — following two facts.  Really poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and have nobody around them who works.  So, they literally have – they have no habit of showing up on Monday.



MR. JOHNSON:  [Chuckles.]

MR. MARTIN:  — y’all, just take it away.  What –

MS. DEBORAH MATHIS:  Le- — let me say when I saw that, I had to ask permission – I wanted permission to try to say what I really want to say, but it’s not allowed on anybody’s air – not on cable, not on broadcast, not on –

MR. MARTIN:  So, Geo- — George –

MS. MATHIS:  — anywhere.

MR. MARTIN:  — Carlin just took –

MR. BELCHER:  [Chuckles.]

MR. MARTIN:  — care of that, huh?  [Chuckles.]

MS. MATHIS:  That’s right.  It’s one of those words.  But I[‘ve] got to tell you this is new for Gingrich.  This is not a new line of thinking for him.  He did this kind of thing about Black entrepreneurship way back many years ago when he was still Speaker – with a group of Black journalists, no less.  And so he is not – he’s new to insulting whole groups of people, be it because of economics, ethnicity, religion – whatever – and lumping everyone together and f- — and missing the boat completely.  He knows not of what – which he speaks –

MR. JOHNSON:  Yeah, but I –

MS. MATHIS:  — whatsoever.

MR. JOHNSON:  — I – I think it’s indicative of a group of people’s thinking as it relates to poor people –

MS. MATHIS:  Sure, it is.

MR. JOHNSON:  — that poor people don’t go to work; that poor people don’t work hard; that [in] some way, shape or form –

MR. MARTIN:  And let’s be clear.

MR. JOHNSON:  They are –

MR. MARTIN:  When we say “poor people,” we didn’t say “Black people.”

MR. JOHNSON:  — no, we didn’t.

MR. MARTIN:  We’re talking about –

MR. JOHNSON:  Not at all.

MR. MARTIN:  — poor White –

MR. JOHNSON:  Not at all.

MR. MARTIN:  — poor Hispanics –

MR. JOHNSON:  And – and –

MR. MARTIN:  — poor Native –

MR. JOHNSON:  — and the reality – and –

MR. MARTIN:  — Americans –

MR. JOHNSON:  — and you and I both know, Roland, that there are some young people that are in some of the poorest communities that watch parents work two and three jobs –

MR. MARTIN:  — that’s right.

MR. JOHNSON:  — to keep the lights on –

MS. MATHIS:  That’s right.

MR. WILLIAMS:  Yeah, bu- —

MR. JOHNSON:  — that learn work ethic – hold on – hold on, ’cause I know you[’re] gon’ go there – that – that gain work ethic.  And the reality is, if you want to start talking about  Black folks, a lot of us who are now, quote/unquote, “middle-class” learned work ethic from folks that came outta the ’hood.  So, th- — that speaks to their disconnect from the reality of what happens in a lot of poor communities.

MS. MATHIS:  Absolutely.

MR. WILLIAMS:  Well, you know –

MS. MATHIS:  And “we’re middle-class” –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — well – well –

MS. MATHIS:  — “but Momma” –

MS. MATHIS:  — “was a maid.”

MR. JOHNSON:  Or, at least –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — [crosstalk] –

MR. JOHNSON:  — the balance – the balance of what happens –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — but listen.

MR. JOHNSON:  — in poor communities.

MR. WILLIAMS:  What you’re saying is absolutely true.  And no matter what Speaker Gingrich’s – former Speaker Gingrich’s intentions were with what he said, these communities do need role models.  They do need men to set examples.  They do need to stop these babies out of wedlock.  We’ve got to stop this dropout rate.  We –

MR. JOHNSON:  But – but –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — need better –

MR. JOHNSON:  — let’s be honest –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — examples.  No –

MR. JOHNSON:  — about what –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — look.

MR. JOHNSON:  — he said, though.

MR. WILLIAMS:  Yeah, e- —

MR. JOHNSON:  He – he di- — that’s not where he went.  He said they don’t see people –

MS. MATHIS:  Anyone –

MR. JOHNSON:  — working.

MS. MATHIS:  — who worked.

MR. JOHNSON:  And that was –

MR. WILLIAMS:  A- — and in many instances, they don’t see people –

MR. JOHNSON:  — and – and –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — working.

MR. JOHNSON:  — but – but –

MR. WILLIAMS:  That is a –

MR. JOHNSON:  — let’s –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — that is still –

MR. JOHNSON:  — but – but let’s –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — a part of –

MR. JOHNSON:  — talk about –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — that community.

MR. JOHNSON:  — the balance.  And there –

MR. WILLIAMS:  And that’s –

MR. JOHNSON:  — and –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — what we’re trying to do.

MR. JOHNSON:  — and that’s –

MR. WILLIAMS:  You’re right –

MR. JOHNSON:  — not what he did.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — and he’s right.


MR. MARTIN:  Now, Cornell –

MR. BELCHER:  — I – I don’t –

MR. MARTIN:  — now, Cornell –

MR. BELCHER:  — I don’t –

MR. MARTIN:  — now, Cornell –

MR. BELCHER:  — I don’t see –

MR. MARTIN:  — now, you’ll –

MR. BELCHER:  — I don’t see anyone working on Wall Street –


MR. BELCHER:  — but they’re certainly getting paid.  What are they – what are they creating on Wall Street?  And this is – it’s – it’s this attack on the poor that just boggles my mind, this constant attack on the poor and protecting the – the 1 percent.  What has Wall Street done?  What has Wall Street created?  What work are they doing?  How are they building anything in – in –


MR. BELCHER:  — this country right now?

MR. MARTIN:  — pick up, ’cause you – you talked about where Gingrich was when he was Speaker of the House.  I recall that one of the reasons they lost the House was because suburban, White women saw Gingrich and the GOP as attacking poor people, attacking minorities.  And so when – when then Gov. Bush came in with “compassionate conservatism,” they liked that, because they said, “finally, a conservative who comes across as being empathetic” –

MS. MATHIS:  That was a –

MR. MARTIN:  — isn’t –

MS. MATHIS:  — soccer mom moment.

MR. MARTIN:  — right.  No, but – but –

MS. MATHIS:  Yeah.

MR. MARTIN:  — isn’t he making a mistake, though, of going back to the very thing that got him in trouble, that caused those same soccer moms to say, “You know what?  We don’t” –

MS. MATHIS:  But – [crosstalk] –

MR. MARTIN:  — “like that language, Newt”?

MR. WILLIAMS:  Newt Gingrich –

MS. MATHIS:  — me- —

MR. WILLIAMS:  — lost the leadership pos- — position because of his pettiness.  We will never forget –


MR. WILLIAMS:  — when he was on the airplane with Bill Clinton, on the back of the plane, and he said he was relegated to the back of the plane like a small –

MR. MARTIN:  C- — c- — coming –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — child.

MR. MARTIN:  — from Israel.

MR. WILLIAMS:  He was —

MR. MARTIN:  No, no.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — petty.



MR. MARTIN:  — no.  No, no.  But –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — he was petty.

MR. MARTIN:  — bu- — but I’m making the point, though, when it co- — it comes to politics.  And that is when you’re trying to appeal to independent voters; when you’re trying to appeal to those White, conservative women, if you come across as being such a bully, even – even dissing young – poor people, how are they going –

MS. MATHIS:  He is not –

MR. MARTIN:  — “You’re” –

MS. MATHIS:  — trying

MR. MARTIN:  — “the guy”?

MS. MATHIS:  — to appeal to independent voters and women right now.

MR. BELCHER:  [Chuckles.]  Right.

MS. MATHIS:  He is trying to prove his ultra-conservative bona fides.

MR. MARTIN:  Gotcha.

MS. MATHIS:  That’s what he’s trying to do.

MR. WILLIAMS:  But what about what –

MS. MATHIS:  And so it –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — he said about immigration?  That was not a pr- — conservative bona fi­– — but –

MS. MATHIS:  — he lost – he lost himself –

MR. MARTIN:  And the- —

MS. MATHIS:  — for a –

MR. MARTIN:  — and then –

MS. MATHIS:  — moment.

MR. MARTIN:  — he walked[?] it[?] back.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — but he was right in what he –

MS. MATHIS:  He lost –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — said, though.

MS. MATHIS:  — himself –

MR. WILLIAMS:  But you agree –

MS. MATHIS:  — for a moment.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — with what he said.


MR. WILLIAMS:  You agreed with him.

MR. BELCHER:  — but that – that aside –

MS. MATHIS:  Yes, I –


MS. MATHIS:  — do.

MR. WILLIAMS:  Of course.

MR. BELCHER:  — fro- — from – from –

MR. WILLIAMS:  And that’s the point.

MR. BELCHER:  — from – from –

MR. MARTIN:  Cornell.

MR. BELCHER:  — from a mackerel [sic] – from a macro standpoint when you’re looking at sort of voters here, there’s two things that – that – that women voters cannot stand, and it is the real problem.  You cannot – they do not want an angry – [chuckles] – leader.  You cannot be an angry or – or mean-spirited leader, and you can’t be – you can’t be a- — you can’t be too – too overly arrogant.  It turns voters off, particularly middle-class women voters off.

MR. MARTIN:  Ho- — how do – how does all of this help Pres. Barack Obama?  Clearly, the economy is still tough.  Unemployment has now gone down to 8.6 percent, although pe- — adults are still walking out of the workforce.  And, of course, Republicans are still –


MR. MARTIN:  — saying –

MR. BELCHER:  — but what[?] –

MR. MARTIN:  — “Romney’s” –

MR. BELCHER:  — is that[?] –

MR. MARTIN:  — “not our guy.”

MR. BELCHER:  — but –

MR. MARTIN:  How does it help the –

MR. BELCHER:  — but wait –

MR. MARTIN:  — President?

MR. BELCHER:  — a minute.  Wait a minute.  Wait a minute.  Let’s not glass [sic] over this.  Unemployment is now below 9 percent, whi- — a- — and – and – and this is 21 –

MR. MARTIN:  No, I gotcha.

MR. BELCHER:  — straight months

MR. MARTIN:  But I’m asking the –

MR. BELCHER:  — of job –

MR. MARTIN:  — but I’m asking –

MR. BELCHER:  — growth.

MR. MARTIN:  — the question, though, when you –

MR. BELCHER:  This i- —

MR. MARTIN:  — look at the drama within the GOP, when you look at –

MR. BELCHER:  — well, no.  I’m trying –

MR. MARTIN:  — “anybody” –

MR. BELCHER:  — no.

MR. MARTIN:  — “but Romney” –

MR. BELCHER:  No.  W- —

MR. MARTIN:  — how does – how does –

MR. WILLIAMS:  Listen.

MR. MARTIN:  — that help the –


MR. MARTIN:  — President?

MR. WILLIAMS:  — President has just given his signature to bail out Europe by supporting the IMF.  It is mindboggling to me that [the] IMF, instead of bailing out third-world countries, is now bailing out a first-world country.  And – and there’re so many things that will play out.  This is not –


MR. WILLIAMS:  — about the GOP.  This is about the President and his ideas and let’s do less orating and find real jobs and –

MS. MATHIS:  I am –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — turn this economy around.

MR. MARTIN:  Deborah – [crosstalk] –

MS. MATHIS:  — I am –

MR. MARTIN:  — starting with you.

MS. MATHIS:  — so troubled about how unsophisticated we are in our understanding of the domino effect of economics and world economics.  You let Europe – the European markets fail, and you watch what happens to the rest of it.  You think this is not something that we should be concerned –

MR. WILLIAMS:  Let me tell –

MS. MATHIS:  — about –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — you something.

MS. MATHIS:  — or something we should –

MR. WILLIAMS:  Let me just –

MS. MATHIS:  — be involved in –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — say this.  Until –

MS. MATHIS:  — Armstrong?

MR. WILLIAMS:  — Europe realizes that they cannot retire people at the age of 55, 35-hour work week –

MS. MATHIS:  Quit switching –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — and six- —

MS. MATHIS:  — gears –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — [crosstalk] – they –

MS. MATHIS:  — please!

MR. WILLIAMS:  — have to – they have to cut!  Why are we going to save someone when they’re going to continue the same policies that got them in this position –

MS. MATHIS:  Let me tell you.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — in the first place?

MS. MATHIS:  To get to his question –


MS. MATHIS:  — your question was about how this is going to help –

MR. BELCHER:  [Chuckles.]

MS. MATHIS:  — Pres. Obama.

MR. MARTIN:  Or, how does it affect Pres. Obama.

MS. MATHIS:  How is it going to a- — well, it’s going to help him, because even if – and I’m just talking about the sophisticated level.  But, still, human beings cannot transcend their humanity and their own tendency to – to follow human nature.  And the thing is – is that the presidency, as high and lofty as in – as it is, is still very much a popularity contest, and – and we are going to look at two, very distinctly different personalities here in Barack Obama and Newt Gingrich, should that be –

MR. WILLIAMS:  Newt Gingrich?

MS. MATHIS:  — Lord –

MR. WILLIAMS:  We don’t know –

MS. MATHIS:  — have mercy

MR. WILLIAMS:  — who the G- — the –

MS. MATHIS:  — should that be –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — GOP’s candidate –

MS. MATHIS:  — the candidate.

MR. BELCHER:  Well, real – real –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — will be.

MR. BELCHER:  — real – [unintelligible]- — I’ll tell you how it’s going to – real simple, cut and chase [sic], if they ha- — if they don’t have the economy, they got nothin’ else.

MS. MATHIS:  [Chuckles.]

MR. MARTIN:  This week, we saw the – the Republicans in the Senate say basically, “Fine.  Payroll deduction?  We don’t care.”  And so it’s interesting [that] here you have attacks.  “Cut.”  And they said, “Fine.  Go ahead and go back up.”  Is this clearly where the GOP is saying, “We’re not giving this president any win whatsoever”?

MR. JOHNSON:  But – but – but – but when did they s- — imply that they wanted him to have a win?

MS. MATHIS:  Exactly.

MR. JOHNSON:  I mean thi- — thi- — w- — we – we act as – we continue to act as if the – the tax piece is one thing, healthc- — from the – from jump, from – from the time that the Democrats allowed the Republicans to come back in and take – take the House –

MR. MARTIN:  [Laughs.]

MR. JOHNSON:  — we – we saw them go gangsta against the President in a way that I don’t think we’ve seen a Republican ma- — majority go gangsta on a president –

MR. BELCHER:  And Mitch –

MR. JOHNSON:  — ever in the history –

MR. BELCHER:  — McConnell was clear.

MS. MATHIS:  And even –

MR. JOHNSON:  — no.  No, without –

MS. MATHIS:  — announced it.

MR. JOHNSON:  — question.

MS. MATHIS:  Yeah, announced

MR. JOHNSON:  And so –

MS. MATHIS:  — it.

MR. JOHNSON:  — they – they – they went – they said, “We don’t want this president to be successful.”  The fact that it keeps happening over and over again and seems to be surprising –

MR. WILLIAMS:  You’re saying –

MR. JOHNSON:  — us –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — to me they –

MR. JOHNSON:  — makes us –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — were kinder to –

MR. JOHNSON:  — strange[?].

MR. WILLIAMS:  — Bill Clinton?  The GOP was kinder – come on!  This –


MR. WILLIAMS:  — is how –

MR. JOHNSON:  N- — no, no, no, no.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — it works, guys!

MR. JOHNSON:  The – the GOP was – was more willing to negotiate –

MR. BELCHER:  They d- —

MR. JOHNSON:  — in –

MR. BELCHER:  — they did negotiate.

MR. JOHNSON:  — Congress.

MR. WILLIAMS:  Because he lost the –

MR. JOHNSON:  And that was –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — House –

MR. JOHNSON:Newt, for that –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — and the Senate.

MR. JOHNSON:  — for that matter.

MR. WILLIAMS:  They – [crosstalk] –

MS. MATHIS:  [Crosstalk] –


MR. WILLIAMS:  — but we did not –

MR. JOHNSON:  But the point is –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — have the clout.

MR. JOHNSON:  — you understand that it’s the – it’s still the approach.  The approach of that –

MR. WILLIAMS:  Obama –

MR. JOHNSON:  — Republican majority –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — funda- — Obama – this president fundamentally does not understand how Economics 101 works.

MR. BELCHER:  Twenty-one straight months –

MR. WILLIAMS:  A- — okay.

MS. MATHIS:  Are you –

MR. BELCHER:  — of job –

MS. MATHIS:  — serious?

MR. BELCHER:  — creation.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — yes – very.

MR. BELCHER:  When he came in, there was 400- — we were losing 400,000 jobs a month.  Twenty-one straight jobs – months of – of job creation.  We – he didn’t get us into this mess.  Your economic policies got [us] in this mess.  We didn’t get in –

MR. WILLIAMS:  The President –

MR. BELCHER:  — it overnight, and we’re not going to get –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — the President –

MR. BELCHER:  — we didn’t get into it overnight, and we won’t get out of it overnight, but we’re heading in the right direction now.  He clearly understands economics better –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — the President has –

MR. BELCHER:  — than – than –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — to learn –

MR. BELCHER:  — Republicans do.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — something from the Chinese.  You don’t create –

MR. BELCHER:  What?  Communism?

MR. WILLIAMS:  — no, no.  You don’t create –

MR. BELCHER:  We are

MR. WILLIAMS:  — debt –

MR. BELCHER:  — borrowing money from them.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — the government has to create assets.  Assets create real opportunities.  The government cannot create jobs.

MR. JOHNSON:  While –

MR. WILLIAMS:  It has to create a climate –

MR. JOHNSON:  — while the –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — that is not over regulated –

MS. MATHIS:  Wait[?].

MR. JOHNSON:  — while the Re- —

MR. WILLIAMS:  — where businesses –

MR. BELCHER:  [Chuckles.]

MR. WILLIAMS:  — can thrive!

MR. JOHNSON:  — while the –

MR. WILLIAMS:  This economy’s –

MR. JOHNSON:  — Republicans –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — over regulated!

MR. JOHNSON:  — while the Republicans were arguing about, “Where was the President?” when they were arguing to do nothing, he was in Asia creating jobs for American citizens.

MR. WILLIAMS:  Where are they?

MR. JOHNSON:  And so –

MS. MATHIS:  Furthermo- —

MR. JOHNSON:  — really – really –

MS. MATHIS:  — furthermore –

MR. MARTIN:  Deborah – Deborah –

MS. MATHIS:  — Armstrong –

MR. WILLIAMS:  Where are they?

MS. MATHIS:  — we –

MR. MARTIN:  — final comment.

MS. MATHIS:  — had ten years – we’ve had ten years of the Bush tax cuts.

MR. WILLIAMS:  $15 trillion deficit!

MS. MATHIS:  We’ve had –

MR. WILLIAMS:  Keep going.

MR. MARTIN:  Actually –

MS. MATHIS:  Wait –

MR. MARTIN:  — and, actually –

MS. MATHIS:  — a minute!  Listen to –

MR. MARTIN:  — hold up.  No –

MS. MATHIS:  — what I’m –

MR. MARTIN:  — one – one second.

MS. MATHIS:  — saying!

MR. MARTIN:  And o- — and –

MS. MATHIS:  And actually listen.

MR. MARTIN:  — let’s be honest.  Five billion of that, [the] Bush tax cuts contributed to it.  But go ahead, Deborah.

MS. MATHIS:  Listen

MR. MARTIN:  Final comment.

MS. MATHIS:  — to what I’m –

MR. MARTIN:  Twenty seconds.

MS. MATHIS:  — saying!

MR. MARTIN:  Twenty seconds.

MS. MATHIS:  We had ten years of trying it the way that was supposed to be the miracle and the end-all, and that is give the money back to the people who create jobs and watch everything happen.  And where are we after those ten –

MR. WILLIAMS:  ’Cause –

MS. MATHIS:  — years?

MR. WILLIAMS:  — they spend the money on state –

MS. MATHIS:  That system –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — government.

MR. MARTIN:  [Laughs.]

MS. MATHIS:  — did not –

MR. WILLIAMS:  That’s where the –

MS. MATHIS:  — work!

MR. WILLIAMS:  — money is!

MR. MARTIN:  All right –

MR. WILLIAMS:  It was not –

MR. MARTIN:  — folks.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — spent in the economy.

MR. MARTIN:  And speaking of spending money, I’m ’bout to go take some ads –

MS. MATHIS:  No wonder

MR. MARTIN:  — ’cause we –

MS. MATHIS:  — you’re a Republican!

MR. MARTIN:  — got to go.  Deborah –

MR. BELCHER:  [Laughs.]

MR. MARTIN:  — Armstrong, Cornell, we appreciate it.  Thanks a lot.