WASHINGTON WATCH ROUNDTABLE: Is Government’s Role To Create Jobs Or Create An Environment For Job Creation? (VIDEO)

Roland Martin and the Washington Watch roundtable discuss what the role of government is in respect to job creation. Is the role of government to create jobs or create an environment for job creation?

This week’s panel features with Raynard Jackson, president of Raynard Jackson & Associates; Bill Press, host of “Full Court Press” on Current TV; Joseph Williams, Politico’s White House correspondent and Sirius XM Radio’s “Black Eagle,” Joe Madison.

MR. MARTIN:   Folks, welcome back.

Joe, you say right now, he’s – he’s de- —

MR. WILLIAMS:  Well, I wa- — I was saying –

MR. MARTIN:  — delusional, or something –


MR. MARTIN:  — like that.

MR. WILLIAMS:  I was saying it’s an ins- —

MR. MARTIN:  Oh, sorry.  You said “insane.”

MR. JACKSON:  [Chuckles.]

MR. WILLIAMS:  — “insane.

MR. JACKSON:  Right.

MR. WILLIAMS:  Let’s get – [crosstalk].


MR. WILLIAMS:  It’s an insane –

MR. JACKSON:  That’s better!

MR. WILLIAMS:  — thank you.  Thank you.


MR. WILLIAMS:  It’s an insane point to consider that government is – does not have a role of – of job creator and that smaller government is better.  No.  Government, from its very first days of existence, has been to help capital and has been to help form businesses in the United States:  taxation used to make roads, used to make people safer, used to promote business, and used to promote the – the capitalism that Republicans say they embrace.  Yet, when they’re talking about “smaller government,” it always seems to go in one direction, and that’s towards public-sector jobs, which are necessary to protect the capitalism that we all say we enjoy.

MR. JACKSON:  No.  The r- —

MR. MARTIN:  Raynard?

MR. JACKSON:  — the role of the government is not to create jobs, but to create an environment where entrepreneurs can flourish.

MR. WILLIAMS:  And that takes –

MR. JACKSON:  Tax policy –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — jobs.  You can’t create this –

MR. JACKSON:  — trade policy –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — but you can’t create this tax – this – this policy out of whole cloth.  You have to have people to implement it.

MR. JACKSON:  Yeah, you –

MR. WILLIAMS:  You have to –

MR. JACKSON:  — need to have –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — have people –

MR. JACKSON:  — a certain level.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — and those –

MR. PRESS:  Well –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — are jobs.

MR. PRESS:  Then[?] why – [crosstalk] –

MR. JACKSON:  But you don’t need all these people sitting up in the Department of Education pushing –

MR. WILLIAMS:  Where are they?

MR. JACKSON:  — paper around.

MR. WILLIAMS:  We’re talking – we’re not talking about Department of Education.  We’re talking about civic, public-sector jobs, which have been the hardest hit – especially after [the] Republican Party voted down, or at least stalled, aid to states.  States are going broke.

MR. JACKSON:  He- — he- —

MR. WILLIAMS:  They can’t hire more –

MR. PRESS:  — you know –

MR. JACKSON:  — here’s –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — people.

MR. JACKSON:  — the problem –

MR. PRESS:   – the – [crosstalk]- —

MR. JACKSON:  — for –


MR. JACKSON:  — Republicans.  When they come running on a “cutting government” program, Blacks are overrepresented in the federal workforce.

MR. WILLIAMS:  When did we start talking about Black people?

MR. JACKSON:  No, no, no.

MR. WILLIAMS:  We started talking –

MR. JACKSON:  I’m not saying —

MR. WILLIAMS:  — about jobs as a –

MR. JACKSON:  — so, when you –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — whole.

MR. JACKSON:  — [were] talking about cutting –

MR. PRESS:  So what?

MR. JACKSON:  — jobs –

MR. WILLIAMS:  No!  It’s a – it’s –

MR. PRESS:  If they are, so what?

MR. WILLIAMS:  — and it doesn’t –

MR. JACKSON:  — we- — well, n- — number one.  So, they’re –

MR. PRESS:  Well, so, you want to –

MR. JACKSON:  — disproportionately –

MR. PRESS:  — go in and pur- —

MR. JACKSON:  — affected –

MR. PRESS:  — you want to purge all the Blacks out of the Department –

MR. JACKSON:  — no, no.

MR. PRESS:  — of Education?

MR. JACKSON:  We want to purge a lot –

MR. PRESS:  Is that what –

MR. JACKSON:  — of the government –

MR. PRESS:  — you’re suggesting?

MR. JACKSON:  — to make it more efficient.  With all this –

MR. PRESS:  Well, let –

MR. JACKSON:  — technology we have –

MR. PRESS:  — let me –

MR. JACKSON:  — we don’t need all these bodies –

MR. WILLIAMS:  But — [crosstalk] –

MR. PRESS:  — let me – let me –

MR. JACKSON:  — sitting up in D.C.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — but, again I’m not ta- —

MR. PRESS:  — all right.  I[’ve] got a place to start.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — I – I want to make a distinction here.  I’m not talking about federal bureaucracy.

MR. JACKSON:  Even the local –

MR. WILLIAMS:  I’m talking about local, state jobs, where you have teachers [who] are working extra hours with more kids in the classroom, where you have firefighters who have to double-shift at the same pay, where you have people who can’t afford to sustain the –

MR. JACKSON:  — look at all the money –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — level of living –

MR. JACKSON:  — we’re spending –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — to –

MR. JACKSON:  — locally for education, and the re- — D.C. –

MR. PRESS:  Not enough.

MR. JACKSON:  — they spend more per capita than any other –

MR. PRESS:  Not enough.

MR. JACKSON:  — municipality in the country, and the results are abysmal.  It’s not a funding problem.  It – the – the – most of –


MR. MARTIN:  Joe Madison.

MR. JACKSON:  — goes to the bureaucracy.

MR. WILLIAMS:  I’m not talking about funding.

MR. MARTIN:  Joe Madison.

MR. MADISON:  I suspect Raynard, after the facts come out, will end up voting for Pres. Obama, who, by the way, has cut more federal jobs, I think, than his predecessor did.  There’s been a deeper cut in –

MR. PRESS:  His predecessor, who –

MR. JACKSON:  And he just closed MB- —

MR. MADISON:  — wait a minute.

MR. JACKSON:  — the MBN- — -DA –

MR. PRESS:  Whoa, whoa.

MR. MADISON:  Excuse me –

MR. JACKSON:  — regional –

MR. MADISON:  — Raynard.

MR. JACKSON:  — offices.

MR. MADISON:  Excuse me.

MR. MARTIN:  Joe, go ahead.  I mean –

MR. MADISON:  — there’s three of us here – more than you.

The reality is I just said the facts.  Let’s – we – you know, I hate to confuse him with facts, but the reality is that you have Democrats who understand they want smaller government.  What Republicans really are saying to people is that they want federal government to do four things.  Defense – they want federal government to take most of the jobs, partectorally [sic – phonetic] – particularly in discretionary fe- — spending, and they want to turn it over to states, and they want to do it through block grants –

MR. MARTIN:  Um-hum?

MR. MADISON:  — which means that states like Mississippi and Louisiana and all these red states don’t put as much money in education as other states do.  So, this is –

MR. MARTIN:  Even though they –

MR. MADISON:  — [crosstalk]- —

MR. MARTIN:  — even they’re at the bottom of the education –

MR. MADISON:  — and – and –

MR. MARTIN:  — levels.

MR. MADISON:  — they’re at the bottom of the education levels.  So, when you start talking about spending, the reality is it’s nothing more than a code word.  “Let’s just have government do the bare minimum” – bare minimum – “and then everything else – Medicare, Medicaid” –


MR. MADISON:  — “food stamps” –

MR. MARTIN:  And –

MR. MADISON:  — “hey, we’ll give it to the” –

MR. MARTIN:  — and speaking –

MR. MADISON:  — “states to do.”

MR. MARTIN:  — of –

MR. PRESS:  [Crosstalk] –

MR. MARTIN:  — code –

MR. PRESS:  — Joe – [crosstalk] –

MR. MARTIN:  — speaking of code – I[’ve] got to deal with this – it’s time for our –


MR. MARTIN:  — “The Biggest Damn Lie.”

I want you to weigh in on this – for our panel.  So, hold tight one second.

For most of us, just saying the name “Donald Trump” makes us think “liar,” “idiot” – you could go on and on.  But this week, he outdid himself.  After the President released his long-form birth certificate and then humiliated Trump at last year’s White House correspondent’s dinner, we thought Trump would shut up and move off the birther lie on to other lies.  But, no, he went there again.  It started when a right-wing website found an old brochure from an agency that represents authors, that stated that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and was raised in Indonesia.  That got The Donald going:


MR. DONALD TRUMP:  A publisher came out last week and had a statement about Obama given to them by Obama when he was doing a book as a young man a number of years ago in the ’90s:  born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia.  [Chuckles.]  I mean this was a statement.  This was from Obama.


MR. MARTIN:  First of all, it was a literary agency, not a publisher.  So, Donald, if you’re going to lie, at least get your facts straight.  Then he says, quote, “This was from Obama” – unquote.

Let’s take a look at what the person who actually wrote the bio had to say.  Quote:

“This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me.  There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii.”  — Miriam Goderich, Dystel & Goderich Agency

Trump admitted he knew about this statement from the bio writer, but chose to dismiss it.  But as bad as this lie was, this next lie is even better.


MR. TRUMP:  I’ve been known as a very smart guy for a long time.”


MR. MARTIN:  Seriously, that’s a lie!

Donald, you, certainly brought –


MR. MARTIN:  — I mean the hits keep on comin’.

Surely, Mitt Romney can try to say, “I disagree with some of my surrogates,” but you can’t have loudmouth Donald Trump constantly dominating the news cycle, and you’re standing next to him at a fundraiser, and then say it’s no big deal, when you’re playing right into these racist folks who believe the President wasn’t born here, and he was layin’ up in a Kenyan hospital.

MR. PRESS:  Tell me one vote –

MR. MADISON:  It’s amazing –

MR. PRESS:  — that Mitt Romney –

MR. MADISON:  — how quiet our –

MR. PRESS:  — gets –

MR. MADISON:  — Republican –

MR. MARTIN:  Right.

MR. MADISON:  — friend got.

MR. PRESS:  Yeah.

MR. MARTIN:  [Chuckles.]

MR. MADISON:  [Laughs.]


MR. PRESS:  — one vote – one vote –

MR. JACKSON:  [Chuckles.]

MR. PRESS:  — that Donal- — that Mitt Romney gets for standing alongside of Donald Trump.  You can’t name me one.

MR. MARTIN:  Well – and the polls show that Trump will have a – a negative –

MR. PRESS:  [Crosstalk.]

MR. MARTIN:  — impact on it.

And – and, Raynard, is this clearly Trump playing to the idiots, playing to the liars, playing to these crazy birthers?  And shouldn’t Mitt Romney say, “Okay.  Enough is enough, Trump.  Shut the hell up.  You’re not helping my campaign”?

MR. JACKSON:  I agree.  I thought, politically, it was a horrible move.  Anytime your surrogate gets more media attention than you –

MR. PRESS:  [Chuckles.]

MR. JACKSON:  — there’s a problem.  There’s a problem.

MR. PRESS:  Yeah.

MR. JACKSON:  So, we lost two or three days in the news cycle because everyone’s talking about Trump.  It was a horrible move –


MR. JACKSON:  — horrible.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — I think two or three days are going to come back again, because Trump is going nowhere.  And hel- — ha- — having Donald Trump on your team is like holding a live hand grenade with the pin pulled out.  You never know when it’s going to go off –

OFF CAMERA:  That’s right.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — and – and explode.

But, to me, one of the supreme ironies, very quickly, is that this is the same sort of howling nonsense that got Rev. Jeremiah Wright dismissed.  People were afraid that his racist – [unintelligible] – it racist – but his presence was going to hurt the President.  He had distance himself immediately –

MR. PRESS:  But I think it – it says something about Mitt Romney’s character, too –


MR. PRESS:  — which is when s- — when Rush Limbaugh –


MR. PRESS:  — called those awful words for Sandra Fluke – right – Mitt Romney said, “Well, those weren’t the words I would have chosen.”


MR. PRESS:  Right?  When that woman called Pres. Obama a “traitor” – right to his face – R- — Mitt Romney – no reaction at all.  Right?  And now [with] this thing, the best he can say is, “Well, you know, I don’t agree, but” –

MR. MADISON:  Well, let me –

MR. PRESS:  — “I need” –

MR. MADISON:  — tell you – [crosstalk] –

MR. PRESS:  — “Well, I need” –

MR. MADISON:  — lack of leadership.

MR. PRESS:  — “50.1 percent.”  Come on.  Get some backbone!  Stand up and say, “This is wrong.  I have nothing to do with it.  I” –

MR. MADISON:  Like Raynard


MR. MADISON:  — just did.

MR. PRESS:  — “disassociate” –

MR. JACKSON:  — right, right.


MR. JACKSON:  [Chuckles.]  Romney –

MR. PRESS:  Like Raynard did.  Why don’t you teach –

MR. MADISON:  [Chuckles.]

MR. PRESS:  — your man some – you know.

MR. JACKSON:  I can lead him to the water, but I can’t make him drink.

MR. PRESS:  Whoa!

MR. MARTIN:  [Laughs.]

MR. MADISON:  [Chuckles.]

MR. JACKSON:  But let me tell you something.  If –

MR. MARTIN:  Final comment right now.

MR. JACKSON:  — i- — i- —

MR. MARTIN:  Final comment.

MR. JACKSON:  — if Romney loses the election, it won’t be on all these extraneous matters.

MR. PRESS:  Oh, whoa, whoa.

MR. JACKSON:  It – I mean – I mean it will be on these extraneous ma- — it won’t be on the issues.  If it’s on the issues –

MR. MADISON:  Make up your –

MR. JACKSON:  — Obama loses.

MR. MADISON:  — mind, Raynard.

OFF CAMERA:  Oh, no.

MR. MADISON:  [Chuckles.]

MR. JACKSON:  But the –

MR. PRESS:  If it’s on jobs –

MR. JACKSON:  — reason I say –

MR. PRESS:  — if it’s on jobs, Obama wins.  He’s –

MR. JACKSON:  — no.

MR. PRESS:  — created more –

MR. JACKSON:  If it’s on –

MR. PRESS:  — jobs –

MR. JACKSON:  — jobs, the Republicans win.

MR. PRESS:  — than Mitt Romney.

MR. JACKSON:  But if [it’s] on all this birther stuff, because the Republicans won’t keep their darned mouths shut, we lose.

MR. MARTIN:  Well – look.  If you keep – if you t- — keep, you know, gravitating to crazy people, crazy people will keep talkin.’