WASHINGTON WATCH ROUNDTABLE: Pres. Obama’s Surrogates, Bain Capital, GOP’s Attack On Organized Labor (VIDEO) | Roland Martin Reports

WASHINGTON WATCH ROUNDTABLE: Pres. Obama’s Surrogates, Bain Capital, GOP’s Attack On Organized Labor (VIDEO)

Don’t you just love the campaign season — the lies, the counter lies, the accusations? It’s often like a season of “The Real Housewives,” just with a lot more money being spent. Does it help you decide who you’ll vote for? Or, are you just over it?

Roland Martin and the Washington Watch roundtable discuss President Obama’s surrogates going off message, Bain Capital, GOP’s war against organized labor and more.

This week’s panel features with Raynard Jackson, president of Raynard Jackson & Associates; Bill Press, host of “Full Court Press” on Current TV; Joseph Williams, Politico’s White House correspondent and Sirius XM Radio’s “Black Eagle,” Joe Madison.

MR. MARTIN:  Don’t you just love the campaign season – the lies, the counter lies, the accusations?  It’s often like a season of “The Real Housewives,” just with a lot more money being spent.  Does it help you decide who you’ll vote for?  Or, are you just over it?

We’re talking about that and more with Raynard Jackson, president of Raynard Jackson & Associates, big-time Black conservative.  Way to go, Raynard.  No pocket square, so we need to talk about that.

MR. RAYNARD JACKSON:  [Chuckles.]

MR. MARTIN:  Bill Press, host of “Full Court Press” on Current TV.  I – I got to give him a makeover as well.

MR. BILL PRESS:  [Laughs.]

MR. MARTIN:  Joseph Williams, Politico’s White House correspondent.  I like the pocket square, Joe.  And Sirius XM Radio’s “Black Eagle,” Joe Madison.  We called Joe late, ’cause, you know, normally he would be rockin’ the pocket square.  His wife would’ve made sure of that.

MR. JOE MADISON:  [Chuckles.]

MR. MARTIN:  All — [chuckles] – all right, folks.  This is the first time I’ve had all guys in a while.  I prefer –

MR. PRESS:  Oh.

MR. MARTIN:  — to have some women on the panel, but the sisters were a little busy.  All right.  Let’s get right to it.

What’s going on in terms of the President’s surrogates?  Does anybody run it past them “maybe we ought to talk about what you’re going to talk about”?  Mayor Corey Booker comes out, makes his comments regarding Bain.  Duvall Patrick, Governor of Massachusetts, comes out, makes his comments regarding Bain and private equity; and now Pres. Bill Clinton is praising Mitt Romney as well.  I’m just saying that sort of goes counter to what the Obama folks are trying to do.

MR. JACKSON:  Well, I mean this is a novel thing in politics.  Sometimes, people actually tell the truth, and that’s what you’re seeing there.  Corey Booker – what he said was true.  Duvall Patrick obviously –

MR. MARTIN:  And Corey Booker got ripped.

MR. JACKSON:  — oh, he did.

MR. MARTIN:  He got ripped.

MR. JACKSON:  He did.  He did.  But they told the truth, but it di- — wasn’t in line with the – the talking points of the day, though.  So, yeah.

MR. PRESS:  I don’t think they’re telling the truth at all.  I mean Bain Capital – the – their MO was making money for their investors, shutting down plants, putting people out of work –

MR. JACKSON:  Come on, Bill.

MR. PRESS:  — killing their pensions —

MR. JACKSON:  Come on, Bill.

MR. PRESS:  — killing their –

MR. JACKSON:  Come on.

MR. PRESS:  — healthcare.  That’s exactly what – what they were doing.  There were a couple of successes, but they weren’t out to create jobs.  They were out to –

MR. JACKSON:  To make money.

MR. PRESS:  — create wealth.

MR. JACKSON:  They –

MR. PRESS:  Here’s what’s –

MR. JACKSON:  — have a legal –

MR. PRESS:  — happening –

MR. JACKSON:  — contract –

MR. MARTIN:  Right.

MR. JACKSON:  — to make money for their shareholders.

MR. PRESS:  — but don’t go around and say you’re a job creator – which is what Mitt Romney is doing.  He is lying through his teeth, and Corey Booker – and here’s – in response to your question, you know what I think it is?  Bain put so much money out there, that they can’t find anybody to talk –

MR. MARTIN:  [Laughs.]

MR. PRESS:  — for the Obama Administration –

MR. WILLIAMS:  Who hasn’t got –

MR. PRESS:  — that doesn’t have –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — Bain money in –

MR. PRESS:  — that doesn’t have –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — their pockets.

MR. PRESS:  — Bain money!

MR. MARTIN:  Joe what do – [crosstalk] –

MR. JACKSON:  [Crosstalk] –

MR. MARTIN:  — Joe – Joe –

MR. JACKSON:  — [crosstalk] – but Bain Capital has contributed almost $200,000 to the Obama campaign.

MR. MARTIN:  — right.  Well – but – well, I go- — I think – I think, to Bill’s point, the bottom line is, in politics, money talks.

MR. MADISON:  Big money –

MR. PRESS:  Total.

MR. MADISON:  — big business, and the people outside the beltway now get an idea of exactly how it’s hand in glove.  I mean –

OFF CAMERA:  Right.

MR. MADISON:  — that’s just simply the – the way it is.  And if you notice, this is also this East Coast, Ivy League, big business establishment.  They all kind of defend e- — each other.  And I just think folk in the Midwest and other parts of the country now get to see how we do business –

MR. MARTIN:  A- — a- —

MR. MADISON:  — here in –

[CROSSTALK.]

MR. MADISON:  — Washington.

MR. MARTIN:  — a- — and, again, to – to your point, these are Democrats and Republicans.  I’ve always said it’s only one party, really, when it comes to this town; and that is the Green Party.

OFF CAMERA:  That’s right.

MR. MARTIN:  That’s the money party.  And the bottom – and the bottom line is people can play the dance, but the reality is you have folks who are taking money.  And then they’ll condemn, but then they’ll also sit here and say, “Where’s my check?”

MR. PRESS:  [Crosstalk] –

MR. WILLIAMS:  [Crosstalk] –

MR. MADISON:  But I take –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — [crosstalk] – but they’re also –

MR. MADISON:  — I do take –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — trying to [crosstalk]- –

MR. MADISON:  — exception – I’m sorry.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — walk a very fi- —

MR. MADISON:  Go ahead.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — they’re also trying to walk a very fine line here, because they do not want to irritate the – the big donor-supporters.  That’s true.  But they are also trying to capitalize on this anti-Wall Street sentiment that’s out there, and it’s hard to walk that straight and narrow path without sometimes veering off and into trouble.

MR. PRESS:  — and you know something else I think is going on, if I can, Joe, which is Democrats have to learn something from Republicans, which is loyalty.  You will not see any Republican go out –

MR. JACKSON:  [Chuckles.]

MR. PRESS:  — and contradict Mitt Romney on the campaign trail.

OFF CAMERA:  Yeah, but that’s why they[?] –

MR. PRESS:  Di- — a little loyalty, a little discipline goes a long way.

MR. MARTIN:  [Chuckles.]

MR. MADISON:  But – but as El- —

MR. PRESS:  And Democrats don’t have any of it.

MR. MADISON:  — yeah, but, Bill, as – as the chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus said, “That’s why they’re Democrats.”

MR. PRESS:  [Laughs.]

MR. MADISON:  [Chuckles.]  I mean –

[LAUGHTER.]

MR. MADISON:  — you know, that’s the reality of it.

MR. PRESS:  That’s why they lose!

MR. MADISON:  Well, that – you know, that’s why they’re Democrats.  They have Blue Dog Democrats.  They – they – you know, look.  Look, when you look at the Democratic Caucus, you see people of all colors and all races –

MR. WILLIAMS:  Right.

MR. MADISON:  — and all genders in leadership position[s].  Look at our friend’s – [gestures toward Mr. Jackson] – caucus in the Republican Party.  What do you see?  All White folk.  No color.

MR. MARTIN:  Well – well, you do – you do have Congressman Allen West –

MR. MADISON:  Oh!  I’m sorry!  I’m sorry.

[CROSSTALK.]

MR. MARTIN:  You got Congressman –

MR. MADISON:  I – I forgot about –

MR. MARTIN:  — Tim Scott.  Even though Congressman Scott said he was going to come on my show, he’s yet to do so.  So, I’m –

MR. MADISON:  — but – but I –

MR. MARTIN:  — still waiting on the brutha –

MR. MADISON:  — but – but –

MR. MARTIN:  — to come on the show.

MR. MADISON:  — but remember –

[CROSSTALK.]

MR. MADISON:  — I said – remember, I said “leadership position.”

MR. MARTIN:  I gotcha.  I understand.

MR. MADISON:  Okay.

MR. MARTIN:  Now – now, let me ask you this here.  First of all, the jobs reports came out on Friday.  A total 69,000 jobs were created.  I have been saying for months to all the folks who follow me on fol- — Facebook and Twitter, who are Obama supporters, “Stop acting like this election is going to be a cakewalk.  The economy is fragile,” and that, “Look.  You[’d] better buckle down and get ready for a tough fight.”

And they keep s[aying], “Oh, no.  Things are fine.”

And I’m going, “If you’re a Democrat, the last thing you want to be saying right now is that ‘things are fine’.”  This is going to be a tough, tough presidential race in November, and then the same thing when it comes to the House and the Senate races as well.

MR. JACKSON:  Yeah.  I tell you, going to what Bill said, if – if the White House wants to have an argument about job creation over Bain Capital, Obama loses, because with the economy and the numbers that came out Friday, there’s no way Obama wins reelection with the economy being –

MR. MARTIN:  Well, first – w- —

MR. JACKSON:  — what it is.

MR. MARTIN:  — well, no, actually –

MR. PRESS:  Uh –

MR. MARTIN:  — hold on.  First of all –

MR. PRESS:  — [crosstalk] –

MR. MARTIN:  — now – now –

MR. PRESS:  — [crosstalk] –

MR. MARTIN:  — now, now – one second.  Now, Mi- – now –

MR. PRESS:  — don’t quote me –

MR. MARTIN:  — now – now –

MR. PRESS:  — on that.

MR. MARTIN:  — now, Mitt Romney –

MR. PRESS:  [Chuckles.]

MR. MARTIN:  — has said – Mitt Romney has said he created 100,000 jobs –

MR. PRESS:  Yeah.

MR. MARTIN:  — with Bain Capital.  69,000 jobs were actually created in May.  If you look at – we’ve had more than 20 consecutive months of private-sector job growth, so that’s actually – those are facts.  So –

MR. JACKSON:  But, Roland –

MR. MARTIN:  — but no – no.  No, one se- — one second.  Those are jobs that were actually created.  Now, we were losing 750,000 a month with Pres. Bush.  So, if you are creating jobs, even if it’s 69,000, that’s still more than you were losing 500 or 750,000.

MR. WILLIAMS:  It’s a net –

MR. MARTIN:  Joe.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — positive.  And the net positive also forgets – or, if you’re talking about straight, aggregate numbers, that’s absolutely correct; but one other point that people are tending to forget is the fact that public-sector jobs are shrinking.

MR. MARTIN:  Precisely.

MR. WILLIAMS:  And they’re shrinking in large part because you have Republican legislatures, you have Republican-controlled statehouses who are focused on cutting spending.

MR. MARTIN:  Now, here’s – now, here’s what – what gets me.  [Crosstalk]- —

MR. PRESS:  We- — governors who’ve declared war against the labor unions.

MR. MARTIN:  — b- — but here’s what –

MR. PRESS:  Look at Scott –

MR. MARTIN:  — get[s] me –

MR. PRESS:  — Walker.

MR. MARTIN:  — Bill – Bill and –

MR. PRESS:  Look at –

MR. MARTIN:  — Joe.  I’m trying to understand this.  Raynard, I need you to step in, because I – I don’t understand it.  When we see the employment numbers – when they were actually – in terms of the job growth – they were cutting those pru- — public-sector jobs, Republicans were complaining about it; but I thought that’s [what] Republicans wanted – was smaller government.  So, how can Republicans complain about public-sector jobs being cut when they always argue for smaller government?

MR. MADISON:  Because the overriding concern – effort on their part is to destroy the public-sector unions.

MR. MARTIN:  Right.

MR. MADISON:  That’s really what it’s about, because the unions are, in essence, the backbone of the Democratic Party.  They’re organized for campaigns.  And so what you see – like in Scott Walker’s case in – in Wisconsin –

MR. MARTIN:  Um-hum?

MR. MADISON:  — he went after the public-sector unions, and –

MR. PRESS:  From day one.

MR. MADISON:  — def- — one – day one, and he – and remember.  He campaigned [on] just the opposite.

MR. MARTIN:  So – so –

MR. MADISON:  He literally lied to the people of Wisconsin.

MR. MARTIN:  — so, Raynard, so, you don’t mind those public-sector jobs being lost, because that’s smaller government – right?

MR. JACKSON:  It’s smaller government, but also unions artificially increase wages, which makes government more –

MR. PRESS:  Oh –

MR. JACKSON:  — expensive.

MR. MARTIN:  No, no, no, no, no.

MR. PRESS:  — oh – [crosstalk] –

MR. MARTIN:  No, no, no.  I’m –

MR. PRESS:  — whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

MR. MARTIN:  — asking you –

MR. PRESS:  Whoa, whoa, whoa –

MR. MARTIN:  — a question.

MR. PRESS:  — whoa, whoa.

MR. MARTIN:  So, we – we – when we lose public-

MR. MADISON:  [Chuckles.]  What?

MR. MARTIN:  — -sector jobs, you’re cool with that – right?

MR. JACKSON:  Well, no.  I- — if – if it’s because of – of government repetition and bloating of the government, yeah, I support that.

MR. WILLIAMS:  But it’s not.

MR. PRESS:  No, no, no.  Look.

MR. WILLIAMS:  It’s not at –

MR. PRESS:  See, here’s –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — the – it’s not at the state level.  It’s not at the civic –

MR. MADISON:  Thank you.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — level.  We’re talking about civic jobs.  We’re talking about police jobs, schoolteacher jobs, garbage collector jobs that are being lost – and not because of union action.  It’s being –

MR. MARTIN:  Bill.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — lost because of –

MR. PRESS:  — here – I just want to –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — a focus on a reduction in spending, and the reduction in spending has to come from somewhere.  If it doesn’t come all from social programs, it comes from public-sector spending, public- —

OFF CAMERA:  But, no.  I mean –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — -sector jobs.

MR. JACKSON:  Government – reining in government spending, I think, is healthy.

MR. WILLIAMS:  You –

MR. JACKSON:  Republicans want to create an environment where the business community can –

MR. WILLIAMS:  — but you can’t have –

MR. JACKSON:  — the jobs.

MR. WILLIAMS:  — but you can’t have it –

MR. PRESS:  Come on.

[CROSSTALK.]

MR. WILLIAMS:  — both ways.

MR. MARTIN:  Bill Press.

MR. PRESS:  Come on.  Come on.

MR. MARTIN:  Bill Press.

MR. PRESS:  Come on.  Come on.  Come on.  You’ve got to have public-sector jobs.  We all depend on the cops.  We depend on the firemen.  We depend on the teachers.  We depend on the garbage collectors.  And then – here’s the – here’s the problem.  You people are double-talking.  You want to have it both ways.  That’s the problem.  What you do is –

MR. MARTIN:  “You people” –

MR. PRESS:  — you vote –

MR. MARTIN:  — you mean the Republicans.

MR. PRESS:  — I’m – Republicans.

MR. JACKSON:  Yeah, right.  [Laughs.]

MR. MARTIN:  [Chuckles.]

MR. JACKSON:  Okay, Ross Perot.

[LAUGHTER.]

MR. MADISON:  You[’ve] got to be careful, Bill.

[LAUGHTER.]

MR. JACKSON:  Right.  [Crosstalk.]

MR. PRESS:  Thank you, brother.  All right.  But –

MR. MARTIN:  [Unintelligible] – only bruthas –

MR. PRESS:  — [crosstalk].

MR. MARTIN:  — on this panel.  I’m just –

MR. PRESS:  — [crosstalk] –

MR. MARTIN:  — [laughs].

MR. PRESS:  — all right.  [Chuckles.]

[CROSSTALK.]

MR. MADISON:  [Chuckles.]

MR. PRESS:  My point is you vote against –

MR. MARTIN:  Right.

MR. PRESS:  — every jobs bill.  You vote against jo- — construction jobs.  You vote against public-sector jobs.  You vote against every jobs bill, and then you turn around and say, “Oh, my God!  We’re losing” –

OFF CAMERA:  The jobs are – [crosstalk].

MR. PRESS:  — “jobs!”  Well, of course, they are!

MR. WILLIAMS:  [Crosstalk] –

MR. MARTIN:  And hold up one second.

MR. JACKSON:  But it’s not –

MR. MARTIN:  I –

MR. JACKSON:  — the role of the government to create jobs!