Pastor Marvin Winans Refuses To Bless Unmarried Woman’s Baby by Roland S Martin on Mixcloud
Pastor Marvin Winans has come under fire for allegedly refusing to bless an unmarried woman’s baby before the congregation. Is it wrong for pastors to refuse to dedicate babies of unwed parents?
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Love his music. I now don’ like the man.
Wow. This mother is asking him to dedicate her baby as one of his flock and he’s denying her because she’s unwed? If THIS is how “good Christians” behave, I really don’t want to see what the rest of them act like.
Roland, you made an excellent point about counseling and mentoring the parents, but I must say that we have to go a step further and look at why women are choosing those men to have children with. A man who is in the streets, selling drugs, etc. is not the man to father a child. It’s time for women to make better choices in mates.
Roland, Dedication of a child has nothing to do with either parent. Suffer the little children, Jesus said let them come, /he did not say they can only come if they have both parents! Not a good call on your end or on pastor marvin’s perspective.
This is ridiculous.What does the does have to do with the parent.I thought God said suffer the little children to come unto me and FORBID THEM NOT for such is the kingdom to of heaven.Why can not to baby be cover under the covenant of Jesus.
I meant what does the baby have to do with the parents.
He does not deserve to be a Pastor…..Where in the Bible does God teach us that?…Using your personal judgments to hide behind the word…disgraceful!!!
The church would dedicate the baby, just not in front of the congregation. Personally, I don’t see whats wrong with that. Why should something he preaches against be put on showcase in front of the congregation?
WWJD ~ Ask yourself that question ~ Thus he is wrong
This is as bad as the Jehovah’s Witness’ disfellowshipping people for immoral acts and then ordering members to not speak to them for a year. Maybe they don’t do this anymore.
Marvin Winans…is a bully and does not need to be a pastor! He is not God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit and has no right to condemn anyone..He sickens me!
either follow the bible as it is written or make continue to make your own rules. the bible says…“No one born of a forbidden union may enter the assembly of the Lord. Even to the tenth generation, none of his descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord” – Deut.23:2
To keep His people, the physical nation of Israel, pure and strong, God forbade an illegitimate child from holding a public office. This may have included other reasons, but generally referred to offspring from any of the prohibited marriages mentioned in Leviticus 18 and 20.We should keep in mind that Old Testament Israel was an unconverted, carnal people whose interests were purely physical. Today, however, God is building a spiritual Family (I Pet. 2:5, 9)
rather than a physical one. Every individual will have a chance to
become a part of this Family depending on how he lives his own life. A child will not be denied eternal life due to his parent’s sins, nor will a parent lose out on salvation because of his child’s sins. A person’s
relationship with God is entirely dependent on his or her own actions. (You may wish to read Jeremiah 31:29-30 and Philippians 2:12.) Christ commands Christians to worship God in spirit and in truth (John 4:23-24). Therefore, a person’s physical ancestry will not prevent him from being called into God’s Family. In the Old Testament, God had chosen one nation to work with. Today, we know that people of all nationalities and cultural backgrounds may enter His Family, upon real repentance and baptism. Please read Acts 17:30, Galatians 3:28-29 and II Peter 3:9. Source: http://rcg.org/questions/p023.a.html Those interested please study the Word for yourself and don’t let anyone tell you God won’t accept you.
. ..let the word of god be true, and every man a liar. Romans 3
I agree with pastor Winan’s decision. This epidemic in our community has
gotten out of hand. As my grand mother used to say in the old church
“somebody’s got to have some sense”. “If you don’t want to hear the truth, don’t ask me” People continue vicious destructive cycles because no one stands up and says the behavior is wrong,” the emperor has no clothes.” Instead of running to the news trying to embarrass pastor Winans, she should have trimmed the bushes and grass in front of her nasty home that she allows the baby to exist in. Black women’s priorities are totally messed up. Instead of taking care of the home, shes out trying to run up in churches showing off the number one sin(not the child, he’s innocent and blessed already, . .UNTIL THE PARENTS MESS THEM UP) that impacts our community in a negative way. This woman is almost 40 yrs old(not a teen pregnancy “mistake” by any means). She should know better, but she doesn’t. And she doesn’t try and get teaching and understanding from the church as to WHY they have to have a standard, and not
kow tow to any and everything. No, she has to like a devil, strike a match and walk away. Now the only thing pastor didn’t do that he should have is get on NATIONAL news and give these baby makers reason why he will not allow his church and the body of christ to be taken over by these selfish,
show off, want to be seen, attention seekers, pageantry seeking harlots
to use the church as a showplace. I can see it now, Sunday service 10
or 12 women parading their multitude of “dressed up” kids across the
front because you know once something catches on with black women, it
becomes a fad and takes over until it is ruined. Like our communities ,
school systems, neighborhoods, welfare systems are being ruined by this
trifling behavior. The babies are “cute ” until a certain age then
turned out into the streets to become society and jails problems. We
can’t afford to continue ignorance breeding ignorance. Now after its
messed up society, they want to infiltrate the CHURCH. The rules have
been set. Abide by them and learn. Rpland you know the church wasn’t having this back in the day. The church spoke against it and he women were ashamed to do it. Let alone “be up front, because they would have to apologize to the church, not be coronated and crowned. When the pastors stopped the apoloigizing ritual tha’ts when things got worse and young women started treating the church sanctuary as if they were bringing their dolls to “show and tell”. She doesn’t know she’s the one who
looks like a fool, not Pastor Winans. He made his bones, and its still
HIS bones, not hers. Guess she has to take her mess to a church that
puts up with it. Leave normal people who stand for something alone .
God will NOT allow the devil to take over his house . . .I CAST THEE
. . . .”I cast thee out
When I became a christian some 30 yrs ago, the church that I attended had a Pastor with the same policy about baby dedications. The church was located in an inner-city community with a high 60% african american teen-age pregnancy rate. Most of the youth who attended our church from that community, came from families where their mother had never been married, their father had never been married, their grandmother had never been married, their grandfather had never been married, their aunts had never been married, their uncles had never been married, brothers, sisters, cousins, etc., etc., etc. The majority of their neighborhoods were single mother households, as was the rest of the community.
The Pastor decided that the only way that these young people were ever going to see marriage and family was if they saw a role model in church. Not only did he teach marriage and family, but used every opportunity to model the example before the youth. On baby dedication day, one service was held before the entire congregation, including the youth, for married couples, and a another later service for anyone who wanted a baby dedication, but not including the youth. This ensured that all children were dedicated, but that the right role model was given to the youth to reinforce the teaching of the importance of marriage and family, instead of generations of teen-age pregnancy, absentee fathers, poverty, and welfare. By the time this Pastor retired, it was noticed by everyone, how few youth in his church had out of wed-lock births, or high school drop out rate, compared to other churches in the area.
The young people grew up looking forward to graduating, getting married, and having children because the Pastor set a standard before them, that was missing in their lives, which is what they so desperatley needed. I am sure that this is the goal of this church, as well.
The latest US statistics reveal that African-Americans are suffering from an epidemic of out-of wedlock births.
The statistics shows the African-American out-of wed lock birth rate at: 72.2%
White-Americans at 29.4%
Asian-Americans at 17.1%
We need parents, pastors, and educators, to address the systemic causes for this problem, and change it for future of our youth.
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