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We did not get the fact in that court case.
I agree with Roland. Kobe would not dare speak those words when people came out in his defense without the facts in his rap case.
Hahaha Roland blasting dat tail!
I never did like Bryant. Especially after he tried to snitch on Shaq to deflect his own charges. What a buster!
I can’t believe I actually agree with something that came out of Kobe’s mouth.
What Kobe did fail to realize was who were the supporter of Zimmerman and it didn’t matter whether Trayvon was the aggressor or not! The only reason he got off in the first place was because he just so happen to look closer to white then Trayvon, and you can bet if Zimmerman has been a black man his butt would have gone straight to jail from the crime scene, would not have been able to get out on bond and would have been found guilty and would not be walking around after admitting that he killed someone! Zimmerman had his white supporters Kobe, just like Trayvon had his black ones, but not everyone unlike Kobe, instantly believes that color is the only reason to have someone’s back, INJUSTICE is, which KOBE ought to know all to well and should know plenty about. Injustice was the reason, which is what white and black supporters (along with Lebron and company) saw in this Trayvon case! Kobe says he so into colorblindness, well even Stevie Wonder can see that just from his intimate choices of wives and girlfriend!
Idiot….he “got off” because he was not guilty.
No, he got off because of the bias justice system and all the racist apologist like you on the jury. He had no business profiling and stalking martin in the first place after the dispatch told him not too. You don’t get to murder an innocent kid after stalking and starting a fight your weak as** losses. If anyone was standing their ground, it was martin.
Steven A. Smith is an African-American sportswriter who, in an interview with Arsenio Hall recently, basically said it is stupid of African-Americans to cry foul every time something bad happens to a black person. Because when African Americans do that (and that is what happened in the Trayvon Martin shooting case), they lose credibility. The evidence was overwhelmingly in favor of Zimmerman that he shot Trayvon in self-defense. And now, people like you cry bias, or deceit, or whatever. Zimmerman was not stalking Martin, and didn’t racially profile him – two things people like you say happened, yet you present no evidence to support those arguments. And the fact that you believe ANYthing Rachel Jeantel said, despite her inconsistencies, her failure to notify ANYone of her involvement, and her pathetic performance in support of a conviction is buffoonery in itself. You can call me whatever you want. You’re unintelligent to ignore the mountain of evidence that shows Zimmerman was acting in self-defense. It is a mentality like that that will forever prevent you from reaching your full intellectual capacity.
To Mr. Roland Martin. You seem to think it was valiant that the parents’ efforts forced a trial and “all the facts got out”. The police investigation and the ORIGINAL prosecutor, Norm Wolfinger got the call right back in March, 2012 – that it was self-defense. Since WHEN do we need a trial to show people what the evidence already showed a year and a half earlier? It was asinine to pose in hoodies, it was asinine of Jim Brown to criticize Kobe as he did, but it was even MORE asinine of Kobe to backtrack from his initial truthful honest statement.
Here are some other facts to the case you seem to forget. Zimmerman ignored a real police dispatcher’s advice to wait and don’t confront until a real cop gets there; since he was neighborhood watch and nothing more.
Trayvon wasn’t seen in the act of committing a crime, he was suspected of doing something illegal only because he was wearing a hoodie and black.
Zimmerman brought a gun with him. Why would he need a gun if he was told not to pursue or confront?? Go figure that one.
All that led to the scuffle (where Zimmerman couldn’t handle a 17 year old) and Trayvon’s untimely death. Let’s not act like Zimmerman was being heroic in defending his neighborhood when again, there was no evidence that Trayvon was in the act of, or had intentions of committing a crime. I would ask you how this would’ve turned out if Zimmerman claimed self-defense as a black and Trayvon was white, but another case (in Florida-coincidence?) where a black Air Force member defended himself against a white attacker didn’t change the outcome. Guess who was put in jail? I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t the white guy. Please let me know, as this law-abiding black man would love you know your thoughts on the hypocrisy of the Stand Your Ground law.
ADVICE is the key word. Dispatchers are trained to do that so they’re not liable for any issues. However, next time there’s someone dying next to you, ignore 911’s advice and don’t perform CPR. Although, based on your response, it’s doubtful you’d be qualified to do that anyways.
Thugvon was suspected because Negroes in the neighborhood HAD been committing crimes and because Thugvon had his hoodie up and big baggie pants. Don’t dress like a thug if you don’t want to be treated like one. Even African dictators understand that, to be treated like a person worthy of respect, you should dress like one.
Are you really going to argue with the constitution of the United States? I guess if the literal meaning of it and all its amendments is wrong we should also switch Negro votes back to 2/3. We’d probably actually end up with much more intelligent politicians.
I’m sorry, a scuffle with a 17 year old? A 6′ 160lb 17 year old who has been seen engaging in bum fights? I know they bred the Negroes to be a bit larger, but as a 6′ 200lb black belt, I’d have trouble handling someone that size in that shape. Let alone someone Zimmerman’s size handling that “kid.” I guess the only crime Thugvon was guilty of was bashing Zimmerman’s skull in. We should just let Thugvon get away with that though.
Sorry to hit your tiny mind with this much truth, and I’m even MORE sorry that most of it will go through one racist ear and out the other.
My, my. Why are we angry and trying to call me a racist? Based off what proof do you think I’m racist? No where in my post is racially offensive. I didn’t call Zimmerman a racist, Hispanic slur did I? Maybe you don’t know what racism is or you’re trying to ignore it. As far as your other comments that have little relevance or little common sense:
I’m in the Air Force and I know how to perform CPR since we’re taught annually. This has nothing to do with Zimmerman being ADVISED to not pursue an individual that was thought to be suspicious.
As far as being dressed to be treated a certain way, that’s a two way street. I guess we should arrest all white people who dress like they’re in a biker gang or who wear their caps backwards (like a thug). I know I see a lot of white guys dressing like that as well.
I won’t waste my breath or precious brain cells on your comment concerning the “Negro” vote.
Anyway, despite your attempts to belittle me, you didn’t address the two points I made. Was Trayvon in the act of, or had intentions of, committing a crime? If he was, I’ll recant my entire thread on this discussion.
The Stand Your Ground has already been proven to be hypocritical. Research the case of the black Air Force member who rightfully defended himself, but was sent to prison then get back to me with your comments. I’ll be waiting.
Did my post seem angry? Exasperated maybe. Ignorance does that to intelligent people. You see, racism, loosely defined, means treating a person differently because of their race. You seem to think that Negroes can do no wrong, as is demonstrated by your willful ignorance of the Thugvon case. Thus, treating them differently based on race.
Advice was brought up to disprove an earlier point of yours. You can brush it off all you want, but the point is solid.
Everybody DOES treat bikers like the assholes they are and backwards cap wearing white guys like douches. However, it only gains media attention if we treat Negroes who are wearing baggy pants and hooded sweatshirts like thugs.
Regarding the Negro vote, once again, it was a comment to make a point. You can’t just pick and choose what parts of the constitution and its amendments you want to follow. Why GZ needs a gun is none of our concern, the fact is that he had a permit and is allowed to carry a gun. That comment is like saying why do Negroes need to vote, they don’t deserve Civil Rights anyways.
Yes, when he was shot he was beating a man’s face in. How do you not understand that? GZ was in the neighborhood watch, if he saw a new person walking around dressed like a thug, he had every reason to be following him. If Thugvon didn’t want him following him, all he had to do was ask why GZ was following him and explain that he was living with his father. Whenever I see a bunch of Negroes following me, I don’t just randomly attack them, I step to the side with my back against a wall so they can tell I’ve got my eye on them, but am not going to make the first move. Please recant your statement now. No wonder you’re in the Air Force, you’d get slaughtered in a real service where people wouldn’t be willing to tell you something twenty times to get it through your dimwitted lack of comprehension.
Finally, I’ll research that case when you research the Duke lacrosse case where a Negro stripper cried rape and ruined three or four young men’s lives. She admitted she made the whole thing up, but the damage is already done. I’m not saying that this happens all the time, I’m just saying that things slip through the cracks on both sides of the fence and it’s often times because of the general citizens’ lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability, not because of any sort of racism.
Sorry, Joshua –
1) There is ZERO evidence that Zimmerman ignored the dispatcher’s suggestion. ZERO.
2) It doesn’t matter whether Trayvon was committing a crime or not. Zimmerman was reasonably suspicious of his actions and called a NON-emergecy number to ask for a patrol officer to come by. The fact he was wearing a hoodie and he was black had nothing to do with it. Listen to the phone call again. When specifically ASKED, Zimmerman wasn’t even certain Trayvon WAS black. So, how does one racially profile someone when they don’t even know for sure what color they are?
3) Zimmerman was carrying a weapon for self-protection in accordance with rights given him by the US and Florida Constitutions. He was en route to the grocery store when he saw someone in the dark, in the rain, hanging out in someone’s yard, not appearing to be going anywhere, not apparently out checking mail, not dressed for a workout. All of that = suspicious.
4) Zimmerman defended HIMSELF! He was beaten and bloodied – an eyewitness SAW Trayvon on top of him throwing down blows. It’s not heroic, but it’s certainly justified, when someone is beating the snot out of you.
5) I don’t CARE, and am not going to offer an opinion on a hypothetical situation as you have described. It doesn’t matter. Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman, and under the law, Zimmerman was entitled to use deadly force to stop him. Zimmerman’s shooting of a young black thug was mere self-defense, and is justified in EVERY state in the union. He had NO means to get away with the thug on top of him, to the actual “stand your ground” theory didn’t even apply.
You seem to overlook, however, several cases of blacks who have used the same “stand your ground” theory that you despise as hypocritical.
Trayvon Martin was raised wrong to think it was OK to attack someone, and the most valuable lesson he learned in his life was unfortunately the one that killed him.
You wrote that the following were facts, and that I have forgotten. Wrong on both. What you present as facts are not all facts, and I didn’t forget anything. I simply refuse to entertain that which has no relevance to the charge of second degree murder, for which Zimmerman was acquitted:
1 – “Zimmerman ignored a real police dispatcher’s advice to wait and don’t confront until a real cop gets there…”
WRONG! There is no evidence that even for a MOMENT after the dispatcher advised him against doing so that he made ANY effort to initiate any contact with Trayvon Martin.
2 – Trayvon wasn’t seen in the act of committing a crime, he was suspected of doing something illegal only because he was wearing a hoodie and black.”
WRONG! When initially asked whether Trayvon Martin was black, white, or Hispanic, Zimmerman said, “He LOOKS black”, and a few moments later, when Zimmerman said “and he’s a black male”, after he claims Martin approached his vehicle. Now, how, if someone isn’t even CERTAIN what race the person is that they are following, can they be racially profiling someone, or, as YOU ignorantly claim, suspect them of doing something “only because he was wearing a hoodie and black.”??
3 – Zimmerman brought a gun with him. Why would he need a gun if he was told not to pursue or confront?? Go figure that one.”
Well, technically, you are factually correct on this, but your implication is entirely false. First, as stated above in my previous post. Zimmerman was exercising his federal and state constitutional rights by carrying a handgun. He did so routinely for self-protection. And on the night he encountered Trayvon Martin, he had been en route to the Super Target grocery store approximately two miles away. He carried it on his person. If he INTENDED to use it, why did he allow himself to be beaten for upwards of a minute and be taken to the ground before he ever pulled the trigger?
4 – All that led to the scuffle (where Zimmerman couldn’t handle a 17 year old) and Trayvon’s untimely death.
WRONG – One key fact YOU omit is that Trayvon Martin either hid near the sidewalk “T” intersection, or doubled back to confront Zimmerman. Because during the final two minutes of Zimmerman’s phone call with the dispatcher, Trayvon Martin could have walked the 450ft home in 70-90 seconds at a normal walking pace. Yet he didn’t. Had he, Zimmerman would have walked back to his vehicle unmolested, waited for the cops, who would have found nothing, and then he would have simply driven on to the grocery store, and then home as planned. What truly led to the scuffle was Trayvon Martin confronting Zimmerman, sucker punching him, taking him to the ground, beating him and placing him in fear of serious injury or death. Trayvon Martin’s actions were what started the snowball rolling downhill, not Zimmerman’s
5 – Let’s not act like Zimmerman was being heroic in defending his neighborhood when again, there was no evidence that Trayvon was in the act of, or had intentions of committing a crime.
Not technically wrong, but your assumption is faulty. Has anyone posted here or anywhere that it was a heroic thing to shoot Trayvon Martin? I for one think it was a tragedy, abeit a necessary one to preserve the innocent person being attacked. Whether Trayvon Martin was actually committing a crime is irrelevant. he certainly DID commit one, though when he attacked Zimmerman.
5 – I would ask you how this would’ve turned out if Zimmerman claimed self-defense as a black and Trayvon was white, but another case (in Florida-coincidence?) where a black Air Force member defended himself against a white attacker didn’t change the outcome. Guess who
was put in jail? I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t the white guy. Please let me know, as this law-abiding black man would love you know your thoughts on the hypocrisy of the Stand Your Ground law.
FYI – Using Florida’s law as the example (since it is Florida’s law that is under scrutiny), apparently you were unaware that while blacks may make up just 16.6 percent of Florida’s population, they account for more than 31% of Florida’s defendants invoking a Stand Your Ground defense. And black defendants who invoke this statute to justify their actions are acquitted 8%more frequently than whites who use that same defense.
In an informal study of cases from 2005 and updated as recently as December, the Tampa Bay Times listed every case in which a Stand Your Ground defense was made.
Of all the fatal cases, of 45 black suspects who used the Florida Stand Your Ground defense, 24 were either acquitted at trial, were granted immunity from prosecution, were not even charged, or had charges dropped. 72 white suspects were listed in fatal cases, of whom 45 were either acquitted, were granted immunity, or were not charged.
In all the cases, I found seven in which black suspects were accused of killing white victims. One of those seven granted immunity and charges were dropped in the other case.
Your use of the word “hypocritical” is not proper. Laws aren’t hypocritical. They may be unjust, or perhaps even discriminatory, but not hypocritical….but the Times study indicated that defendants claiming “stand your ground” are more likely to prevail if the victim is black. 73% percent of those who killed a black person faced no penalty compared to 59% percent of those who killed a white.
It’s unfortunate and shows a disconcerting lack of intelligent thought in the Negro community that they want to be treated like people and yet can’t handle if one of their own breaks rank and disagrees. It also shows a momentous amount of pure racism that when a Negro does something stupid, every single one of them is expected to jump directly to the Negroes’ defense. Unfortunately it’s one step forward, two steps back with these people.
I saw a comment about Kobe’s rape allegations. He’s not in the wrong for reaching out, the rest of you Negroes are in the wrong for instantly jumping to his defense. Maybe instead of Kobe as a hero, you should be training your children to look up to Mae Carol Jemison. Of course, I’d be a bit surprised if any of YOUR PEOPLE know who this woman is without looking her up on the internet.
She was an astronaut, b…..
Typical Negro arrogance. Anybody who points the finger at Negroes saying that most of their issues today are their own doing is instantly labeled a racist. I mean, the current roster of Negro leaders are definitely doing so much that the Negro communities are fixing themselves.
Like I said, racist. Your disrepectful use of the word, negro, proves who and what you are. You don’t know what you are talking about. Your race is not any better.
I use the word Negro (note capitalized, unlike your use, you really need some more self-respect) to differentiate from actual African Americans (Africans who immigrated since the Civil Rights Movement) and Africans. To lump Negroes in with either of these groups is just simply ignorant.
I may not know what I’m talking about, but I’ve got a better understanding of racism and Civil Rights than 90% of Negroes whose understanding only goes so far as to think whitey owes them one.
PS, I am Asian and my race is better. We’re not even on the under-represented minorities list anymore in colleges and corporate America, despite the fact we form a group less than half of the Negroes’ size. We also comprise one of the most sought after luxury buying groups as Negroes and Latinos tend to spend their additional money on necessities because they don’t have a large disposable income. Not only that, but can you name a single non-Mediterranean African country that has excelled in nuclear technology? Even North Korea, a country that can barely feed its own people, has that.
Why I capitalize a ” word”, that does not describe me???? Your use of it is done to be derogatory, whether you Capatalize it or not. Who cares about your claim of nuclear weapons. I hope that I am, and all I love are dead and long gone, when you idiots push the button. Nothing in that is prideful Man, outsmarts himself. White folks, don’ t have a thing that I want. And by the way, they don’t give s… about your race either. Good Luck, and thanks for your response. No need to respond again. Thanks again.
@pissedoffsmoker, Stop trying to give me a history lesson. It won’t work. Not now, tomorrow, next week, or next year. You can’t. My people were done way………..worse than hit with some d… rocks. Boy or Girl, Bye.