Roland Martin Show Audio Podcast: Dr. Umar Johnson, Cleo Manago Clash Over Their Perspectives On Black Life In America

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In this edition of “The Roland Martin Show,” guest host Cleo Manago talks with Dr. Umar Johnson about his new school, The Frederick Douglass & Marcus Garvey RBG International Leadership Academy for boys.

Dr. Johnson also shares his views about how African American young men are being intentionally miseducated, special educated, intentionally psychiatrically medicated, intentionally expelled from school and adjudicated within juvenile courts and programs.

During their conversation Manago and Dr. Johnson have a heated debate over Black male sexuality and homosexuality.

Dr. Umar Johnson is a Doctor of Clinical Psychology and Certified School Psychologist who is considered an expert on the education and mental health of Afrikan and Afrikan-American children. His accomplishments are many. Most recently, Dr. Umar is working on building his new school, The Frederick Douglass & Marcus Garvey RBG International Leadership Academy for boys.

Dr. Johnson’s perspectives on issues concerning Black life in the USA are powerful, Black affirming and sobering. Some find his perspectives on Black boys, effeminacy and homosexuality controversial.

All that and more in this edition of The Roland Martin Show Audio Podcast on the Empowerment Radio Network.

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  • Haroldl Clayton

    Cleo Manago why is pan Africanist guilty of not able to understand human sexuality. Mr. Manago you’re not a genome scientist thus you cannot attribute human sexuality and orientability to some human evolutionary biological process there’re empirical facts called gender, plain and simple !!

  • Haroldl Clayton

    Cleo Manago why is pan Africanist guilty of not able to understand human sexuality. Mr. Manago you’re not a genome scientist thus you cannot attribute human sexuality and orientability to some human evolutionary biological process there’re empirical facts called gender, plain and simple !!

    • Lance

      He isn’t attributing it to an evolutionary process. But if you want to bring evolution into it, the very process of evolution is to weed out undesirable traits. Homosexuality is — by far — less practiced among various species, but still nonetheless, a behavior in many different species of mammals.

      Dr. Umar Johnson, while I agree on many points, he is wrong where it concerns the effeminate nature of the black man.
      Black men, no matter if you want to admit it or not, weren’t subjugated and forced into slavery because of femininity and homosexuality. Heterosexual black men were subjugated simply do to the fact that their rulers were weak and dumb. It had nothing to do with feminine traits rather a lack of self-strength, a lack of self-sufficiency, and a lack of a suitable and useful system of values.

      Black, heterosexual men weren’t subjected to being raped by one white man because he was feminine and homosexual. These heterosexual “bucks” as they were called, were simply scared, dumb, and lacked self-worth.

      Many black men today lack the same self-worth. Lack of integrity, lack of willpower, lack of self-sufficiency, lack of honor, etc… You can place them all under one category of lack and simply say, “lack of a code”.

      It wasn’t homosexual, feminine black men that fought for integration (thus ruining the black builders) just so they can sleep with some white women. It was, again, weak, pathetic, heterosexual black males that fought for integration.

      So when people place some of the ills on the community onto feminine or homosexual black males, they are simply scapegoating the many, many actions that completely decimated the community by the heterosexual black male.

      I am not homosexual but I am tired of seeing black males attribute ills to homosexuality of black males. I am not against homosexuality because (1) I am smarter to know not to be against other black people (so long as they aren’t against black empowerment), and (2) I don’t find homosexuality to be of any major or minor issue to the black community. What I find to be a major problem for the black community is weak and stupid black males (whether they be homosexual or heterosexual). They are a detriment to our empowerment.

    • Lance

      He isn’t attributing it to an evolutionary process. But if you want to bring evolution into it, the very process of evolution is to weed out undesirable traits. Homosexuality is — by far — less practiced among various species, but still nonetheless, a behavior in many different species of mammals.

      Dr. Umar Johnson, while I agree on many points, he is wrong where it concerns the effeminate nature of the black man.
      Black men, no matter if you want to admit it or not, weren’t subjugated and forced into slavery because of femininity and homosexuality. Heterosexual black men were subjugated simply do to the fact that their rulers were weak and dumb. It had nothing to do with feminine traits rather a lack of self-strength, a lack of self-sufficiency, and a lack of a suitable and useful system of values.

      Black, heterosexual men weren’t subjected to being raped by one white man because he was feminine and homosexual. These heterosexual “bucks” as they were called, were simply scared, dumb, and lacked self-worth.

      Many black men today lack the same self-worth. Lack of integrity, lack of willpower, lack of self-sufficiency, lack of honor, etc… You can place them all under one category of lack and simply say, “lack of a code”.

      It wasn’t homosexual, feminine black men that fought for integration (thus ruining the black builders) just so they can sleep with some white women. It was, again, weak, pathetic, heterosexual black males that fought for integration.

      So when people place some of the ills on the community onto feminine or homosexual black males, they are simply scapegoating the many, many actions that completely decimated the community by the heterosexual black male.

      I am not homosexual but I am tired of seeing black males attribute ills to homosexuality of black males. I am not against homosexuality because (1) I am smart enough to know not to be against other black people (so long as they aren’t against black empowerment), and (2) I don’t find homosexuality to be of any major or minor issue to the black community. What I find to be a major problem for the black community is weak and stupid black males (whether they be homosexual or heterosexual). They are a detriment to our empowerment.

  • EbonyLolita

    This show was a mess. Technologically and structurally. The passive aggressive attitude of the host did NOT push Dr. Umar’s message in the positive light of Black empowerment and progressiveness. The host initially acted under the guise of collaboration but made several underhanded comments once the LGBT issue was brought up. Now I’m not saying he doesn’t have a right to address this but the conversation went on a tangent and the whole benefit was lost.

  • EbonyLolita

    This show was a mess. Technologically and structurally. The passive aggressive attitude of the host did NOT push Dr. Umar’s message in the positive light of Black empowerment and progressiveness. The host initially acted under the guise of collaboration but made several underhanded comments once the LGBT issue was brought up. Now I’m not saying he doesn’t have a right to address this but the conversation went on a tangent and the whole benefit was lost. The host constantly interrupted Dr. Umar while asking the Dr. not to interrupt, which he didn’t. Mr. Manago turned this into a personal monologue due to his sexual orientation. C’mon now it’s like he couldn’t wait to go IN. Thank you Dr. Manago for showing your true colors and missing out on an opportunity for ALL Blacks to learn.

  • TheEmperorOfWorlds

    The problems with guys like you Roland Martin, is that you think everything is able to be talked out and compromised! However, reality doesn’t quite work that way! Balance is a tug of war! It seesaws, and the earth revolves around the sun in an elliptical orbit not in a perfect circle! Being that wars are still fought proves it! Agreeing to disagree will lead to conflict, battles, and to wars if those disagreements are extremely contrasted! There’s no avoiding that! Sometimes hearing both sides reinforces the divide and might will wind up determining who’s right!

    You can’t be neutral on everything and you can’t expect to hear all sides and remain neutral…Roland Martin you will have to choose a side!

  • TheEmperorOfWorlds

    The problems with guys like you Roland Martin, is that you think everything is able to be talked out and compromised! However, reality doesn’t quite work that way! Balance is a tug of war! It seesaws, and the earth revolves around the sun in an elliptical orbit not in a perfect circle! So, even agreeing to disagree will inevitably lead to conflict, battles, and or, to wars if those disagreements are extremely contrasted between parties! There’s no avoiding that! Sometimes hearing both sides only reinforces the divide and after all the efforts for peaceful dialogue, might will wind up determining who’s right!

    You can’t be neutral on everything and you can’t expect to hear all sides and remain neutral…Roland Martin you will have to choose a side!

  • TheEmperorOfWorlds

    Oh you’re a homosexual? Now I get your resistance mister Roland Martin!!! I Won’t be listening to your show no more…First time and last time!!! See this is where stark contrasted views WILL divide! No compromises no see it your ways! Just my disagreeing with your homosexual lifestyle ends show’s interest period!!!

  • FreeXone

    I think I may listen to Roland Martin Reports more. Cleo Manago, you are the symbol of grace under pressure. This show was symbolic of the black community in itself. We as a people have outcast-ed our own for so long until we don’t know the difference between the terms lifestyle & sexual orientation, L.G.B.T. & S.G.L. We have flawed belief system, that Homosexual means pedophile. We also feel that the Black homosexual male /female will destroy the black family. Dr. Umar has very GOOD intentions, but he needs to understand that in order to be supportive of the black community you must support accept & deal with the WHOLE black community. WHOLE meaning Straight, Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, Questioning & Same Gender Loving (S.G.L.). Dr. Umar & the Black CommUNITY needs to talk & interact with these people & learn how to address them. WE are not computers, WE don’t need to be programed, WE ALL need respect & guidance. I am a BLACK HOMOSEXUAL MAN (who loves “certain” masculine men) & I can tell you first hand, YOU DON’T KNOW JACK ABOUT THE HOMOSEXUAL EXPERIENCE UNTIL YOU HEAR IT FROM A HOMOSEXUAL. Cleo, I think you did a great job in showcasing fact from fiction. My only hopes is that these to Black Men can come together & begin the process to save young black boys from a system gearing them for prison.

  • FreeXone

    I think I may listen to Roland Martin Reports more. Cleo Manago, you are the symbol of grace under pressure. This show was symbolic of the black community in itself. We as a people have outcast-ed our own for so long until we don’t know the difference between the terms lifestyle & sexual orientation, L.G.B.T. & S.G.L. We have flawed belief system, that Homosexual means pedophile. We also feel that the Black homosexual male /female will destroy the black family. Dr. Umar has very GOOD intentions, but he needs to understand that in order to be supportive of the black community you must support accept & deal with the WHOLE black community. WHOLE meaning Straight, Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, Questioning & Same Gender Loving (S.G.L.). Dr. Umar & the Black CommUNITY needs to talk & interact with these people & learn how to address them. WE are not computers, WE don’t need to be programed, WE ALL need respect & guidance. I am a BLACK HOMOSEXUAL MAN (who loves “certain” masculine men) & I can tell you first hand, YOU DON’T KNOW JACK ABOUT THE HOMOSEXUAL EXPERIENCE UNTIL YOU HEAR IT FROM A HOMOSEXUAL. Cleo, I think you did a great job in showcasing fact from fiction. My only hopes is that these to Black Men can come together & begin the process to save young black boys from a system gearing them for prison.

  • DatBus

    Cleo Manago and Umar Johnson are two truly sick individuals. They deserve eachother.

    • bellaneena

      You obviously did not listen to the message…haaa

      • DatBus

        I am intimately familiar with their “message”.

  • bellaneena

    Umar Johnson is the truth but, he won’t let him speak..LOL

  • sAshay1

    All of callers said this interview was being conducted horribly and Dr Manago disregarded every last one of the callers as if what they said was bias. All of the callers listening in and giving the same opinion can’t be wrong. I watch the Roland Martin show every morning and respect your views as a guest speaker on the show Dr Manago but after this passive aggressive and defensive nonsense you should do more solo interviews that you get periodically critiqued on for a while or just stick to guest speaking on TV one. This show was over 2 hours and there was no information of substance I took from it, just a bunch of back and forth attacks. Keep your audience in mind next time not just yourself.

  • Qwerty99

    I’m more than a year late, but yeah this interview was a hot mess. “Dr.” Umar Johnson is a known homophobic misogynist (which is typical of hoteps), so nothing he said was surprising. && chile EVERYBODY including the d-riding callers took FOREVER to get to their points!

  • Qwerty99

    I’m more than a year late, but yeah this interview was a hot mess. “Dr.” Umar Johnson is a known homophobic misogynist (which is typical of hoteps), so nothing he said was surprising. && chile EVERYBODY including the d-riding callers took FOREVER to get to their points!

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